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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2008, 03:35:58 pm » |
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The Schneiders could be just another familly branch. All the villagers in OoE were also from different famillies but whatever.
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2008, 03:39:24 pm » |
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But who are the Schneiders and where did they come from? It's not nice to have another
whip weilding family branch, and out of thin air, not to mention. Fernandez is a bad translation of Belnades, so KCEK was actually trying to make a connection to the other games.
Actually, Belnades is a bad translation of Fernandez, and it was too late to use Fernandez anyway since Belnades has already been used. I heard somewhere that his full name was Reinhardt Schneider Belmont. Maybe I just got information from a bad source...  He was formerly Schneider Belmont, but was changed to Reinhardt Schneider. |
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2008, 04:01:17 pm » |
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The Schneiders could be just another familly branch. All the villagers in OoE were also from different famillies but whatever.
But don't you have to be a DIRECT descendant to wield the VK? |
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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2008, 04:04:38 pm » |
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But who are the Schneiders and where did they come from? It's not nice to have another
whip weilding family branch, and out of thin air, not to mention.
I dunno, the Morrises also came out of thin air. How they became involved isn't explained either. Fernandez is a bad translation of Belnades, so KCEK was actually trying to make a connection to the other games.
Actually, Belnades is a bad translation of Fernandez, and it was too late to use Fernandez anyway since Belnades has already been used. Whatever. All Belnadeses/Fernandezes are from the same familly. I heard somewhere that his full name was Reinhardt Schneider Belmont. Maybe I just got information from a bad source... He was formerly Schneider Belmont, but was changed to Reinhardt Schneider. I heard he was originally named "Schneider Belmont" but later it became Reinhardt Schneider. The Schneiders could be just another familly branch. All the villagers in OoE were also from different famillies but whatever.
But don't you have to be a DIRECT descendant to wield the VK? No, Morrises aren't direct descendants either. ... I think.
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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2008, 04:11:52 pm » |
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I dunno, the Morrises also came out of thin air. How they became involved isn't explained either.
We know that they were supposed to weild the whip when the Belmonts couldn't and how they got the whip. I heard he was originally named "Schneider Belmont" but later it became Reinhardt Schneider.
That's exactly what I said. |
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2008, 04:15:34 pm » |
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Wait - Assuming that the Morris family and the Schneider family are both indirect descendants of the Belmont line, and assuming that Reinhardt is NOT a direct Belmont, shouldn't Reinhardt die? The Morrises die if they use the whip, don't they?
That's either something that was overlooked in the story, something that IGA saw, adding to his reasons of retconning the N64 titles, or it means that Reinhardt IS infact a true Belmont.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2008, 04:18:50 pm » |
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I dunno, the Morrises also came out of thin air. How they became involved isn't explained either.
At least we know that they were supposed to weild the whip when the Belmonts couldn't and how they got the whip. They explained how they got the whip? Where? I must look it up.  And I thought you said that Reinhardt was first " Schneider Belmont" but that he later changed his name to "Reinhardt Schneider". Sorry, my mistake >.< Wait - Assuming that the Morris family and the Schneider family are both indirect descendants of the Belmont line, and assuming that Reinhardt is NOT a direct Belmont, shouldn't Reinhardt die? The Morrises die if they use the whip, don't they?
That's either something that was overlooked in the story, something that IGA saw, adding to his reasons of retconning the N64 titles, or it means that Reinhardt IS infact a true Belmont.
I thought that was something that Iga made up for PoR's story but I'm not sure. |
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2008, 04:21:44 pm » |
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Well, dammit, IGA! STOP MAKING STUFF UP!  |
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2008, 04:36:00 pm » |
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Hey, it was a good thing that any non-Belmont dies using the whip, otherwise, any old Joe could be exactly like a Belmont, which would have been boring and stupid.
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2008, 05:44:56 pm » |
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The thing about the games is that, at the time, they didn't really contradict any absolute values (although I've heard that LoD contradicts CV64, but I haven't gotten that far, so yeah...) but they were really silly in certain aspects, one of them being that, counting only those games, Dracula had four resurrections in the 1800's: pre-CotM (Morris Baldwin), CotM, CV64 and LoD. Add Bram Stoker, and that's five already. There's also OoE, but that didn't come until later.
Now, what the games really did contradict was Iga's vision: What he felt CV should be, how he sees the events should unfold, how the families should tie. KCEK's games contradicted his ideas, which came in frutition mainly in PoR, but I think also in LoI. OoE did kind of put a large blight on it, too.
As for my favourite and least favourite decisions he made:
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Re-inventing the series in a way that it could survive today's market (albeit barely, but hey)
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The atmospherical changes in the two first DS games. I also like to blame him for PoR's and CoD's level designs, even though they weren't really his fault.
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2008, 06:41:26 pm » |
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Was is stated in games made before PoR that the Morrises died if they used the whip, or did IGA make it up?
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2008, 06:30:22 am » |
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Iga did it. And I don't really like the wording "make it up", it makes it sound like it isn't true or shouldn't belong in the storyline. I mean, he is the lead of the series, so if he says something, chances are it's a canonical fact. So, he didn't make it up, he just made it |
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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2008, 07:38:38 pm » |
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If you take over in the middle of the series and state something important even though it was never stated in earlier games despite the involved character or characters' involvement in the series previously, in this case the Morris family, I consider it made up. |
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2008, 06:45:01 pm » |
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If you take over in the middle of the series and state something important even though it was never stated in earlier games despite the involved character or characters' involvement in the series previously, in this case the Morris family, I consider it made up. That's quite dumb of you, considering it applies only to Bloodlines, which was never mentioned or referenced until PoR in 2006. Also the KCEK games were retconned for good reason- they were always meant to be side stories. Ever wonder why they don't make any sense when stacked up against the other games? Ever wonder why KCEK didn't seem to care to bring back any recurring characters? Also, I wouldn't classify characters with cut-and-paste personalities as 'great characters.' KCEK was never going to give Nathan Graves a sequel, so I wouldn't be butthurt that IGA never will. Ah, damn, except he put Cornell in Judgment. KCEK took over in the middle of the series and states that the Graves and Baldwins destroyed Dracula before 1830 with the Hunter's Whip; none of the which were stated in earlier games and clashes drastically with SotN and RoB. I guess that makes them 'made up.' |
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